Mr. Hoober, the only quibble I have with this article is the assumption that people only have a (as in singular) home defense gun. For those of you that don't know, "Israeli Carry" is the practice carrying a pistol without a round in the chamber. My point is that I see no benefit in limiting my defensive options. Go get a titanium firing pin. Various firearms but could go to dagger, spear, sword and buckler, longsword, or smallsword if for some reason one of those seemed like a good idea. And that is the key to any methodology, simply having the proper training. So, there are at least 2 actions required to get a round to fire after removing it from a pocket. One could write an entire book about just the intricacies of revolver internals, but no one would buy it, now that most dont even know what revolvers are. If you cant train yourself to keep your finger off the trigger until you have made the decision to shoot any gun is dangerous in your hands. I like having a gun ready to shoot but I need a second chance when Im juggling. In non service activities, all occurred either nearly cheek to cheek, face to face, or less than 3 ft. when chit went south, and it happens so fast, Id bet few if any pro operators could rack then stack em I carry a 5 shot .357 magnum revolver a good deal of the time. Modern shooter often often dont want to fiddle with something complex. When I was new to guns I bought a DA/SA pistol with safety/decocker because I lacked the confidence to go with a hot gun without the safety, never fell for the empty chamber myth as a safe way to carry, always thought it was a sure way to get killed.. Once I was confident enough, now I only carry a gun without a safety and it always has one in the pipe, always carried in a holster. The New York Trigger as it became known had an 8-pound trigger pull. Is it safe to carry a round in the chamber? Sykes wrote their highly influential book, " Shooting To Live," based on their experiences with the Shanghai Police Department. You cant just twitch and accidentally shoot one. COPYRIGHT 2021, THETRUTHABOUTGUNS.COM. I lost a whitetail in heavy cover to the click when the safety is released. Just saying. Just that for most every use, there are other choices that are better. All that said, training, knowledge of your firearm's design/function, and practice go a long way to make any firearm safe to carry with a round chambered though some designs are better for a particular purpose. I do carry that way, however, with my 1911. Just bookmark the page you commented on, and then check back once in a while. If you did not realize the design is dangerous, you would not have spent so much time belaboring the obvious. The SAA was designed to be carried fully loaded with the hammer back on the first notch. Long story short, I let it be known that I thought carrying with an empty chamber is a mistake. If I have to carry a compact, its a DA only with no safety or one with the safety off. Thats why the old timers carried them on an empty chamber. Congratulations. Kids are grown, hoping dad doesnt ever need to move in, not the reverse lol, and I have em where I need em to be and they are ready when I am. Haha. Mine, of course, is in the latter, and it's held up well to a lot of shooting. Glock 23 Handgun. Sound off in the comments! I submit extremely unlikely. If you have your Glock properly holstered it cant go off, Those are what ifs what if you slip in the shower get hit in the crosswalk get rundown by a terrorist in a f150 train be vigilant and stay away from the end that has 6 letters. Police departments across the country mocked the NYPD for their accusations and understood that its both trigger happy officers and training issues that lead to problems like that.Glocks two-part trigger is one piece of their internal safety features. Didnt fire..interesting. uncommon_sense: I would hope that, by now, you know whether or not the handgun you actually OWN has a firing pin safety. After all people driving cars kill more people than people holding firearms. For myself I carry an HK P30sk with the double action hammer in the down position and the manual safety on. Conceal. Glocks have only mode of carry once you chamber a round. The innovative design of the hybrid steel-polymer slide chambered in our first .22 caliber round provides a lightweight and low recoil functionality for optimal control. I just grabbed a shirt from the laundry pile. You should always carry with a round chambered. Mr Hoober, If you werent too busy arrogantly doubling down, you might consider trying it some time instead of pretending you know everything but I suppose you are probably more interested in getting audience engagement than giving good advice. . My Taurus Millenium G2, basically a glock with a safety, same thing, actions are needed to make it fire. But now at my age I know me and I know my weapons and youll be gambling with your life if you engage me thinking you know whether there is one in the chamber. No, but it requires that everything go right when theres a higher chance of something going wrong. Five years ago I reviewed the Glock 43, the second pistol in Glock's "Slimline" series of thin grip pistols. I will say this again: If other blogs can do it, then it can be done. Its part of being human. You'll want to train yourself one way or the other. Most learn it in the third grade, so how scary hard can it be? the number of people out there who keep a single-action revolver as a home defense. He grew up hunting, fishing, and trapping. The 223/5.56 is the most common centerfire rifle cartridge in the US. A safety is much easier to manipulate than a slide though. See? Want to vent about something? People who carry them are so rare that I felt like it wasnt worth mentioning, and Im probably still right. On the other hand, most other striker-fired pistols count on the recoil spring to cock the striker. For all those terrified at Condition One semi-autos, a percentage carried hunting shotguns afield for upland game and waterfowl every one with the . But it used to work fine, a year or so before that. Not a bad plan. Some say it makes the trigger drag, but it doesnt on mine. The NYPD used this excuse several times to get out of a situation, basically saying These new-fangled Glocks just go off on their own. Between the trigger safety, the firing pin safety and the drop safety I feel very comfortable carrying it chambered. To each their own, and god speed, The first gunm I packed was a SA .22 with a half cock safety and I loaded all the holes, then I went DA but cocked it most of the time.so I got in a habit of cocking the hammers Then I went to auto pistols and just never did trust that hammer sticking up so I carry them with one in the chamber on half cock. While millions of Americans keep and/or bear GLOCKs and GLOCK-like striker-fired pistols without mishap, mishaps do sometimes occur.Let's face it: the average gun owner has lousy trigger discipline. No kids at home anymore so no worry there. So you have no quibble with the line; If dropped, the hammer could contact the primer and therefore, fire., in relation to SA revolvers? The idea is that a gun with cartridges in it but not having one in the chamber is close to being loaded and is therefore better than a completely unloaded gun. Do other people carry Glocks in IWB holsters with chambered rounds? Well, now, lets analyze this a bit deeper, shall we? My G19 pull is about 4-1/2# about the same as a lot of 1911 guns. Go. Carried chambered until the kids came. If I was gona carry an empty gun Id carry a full sized 1911, that way if I had to throw it at somebody it would weigh enough to hurt when it him them. I wouldnt have or carry any with a non hot pipe, but thats just me. Why would anyone want only one of something? Thats a bunch of bologna written by writers who know nothing about guns. Only ONE centerfire pistol? After a few years of working on them self-taught, I finally . The claim is that because Glocks have no safety and a super light trigger, they accidentally shoot people. They claimed that the officer didnt purposefully pull the trigger, but he just twitched from his heart beating fast and the gunshot an unarmed innocent man. Widen your horizons. What an idiot libtard if you have a gun you get good at handling it stay with your BB gun, Mad says, What an idiot libtard if you have a gun you get good at handling it stay with your BB gun. Ive been known to knock over a glass of milk , spill my coffee down my chin , have people toot their horn at me from time to time , you get my point . For 1911s, the danger is similar if you carry hammer down on a loaded chamber though I dont know why any somewhat intelligent person would do so. And unlike Mad, I DO make mistakes. This has nothing to do with car=privilege firearm=right. Theres a problem with absolutism: youre proven wrong too easily. ADs by glockinstine operators usually are extracting their golden goose with or wit out a pocket holster, by placing their finger, as so many comments referred to above, on the trigger upon extraction. If you 're considering a Glock handgun, make sure you have an armorer or gunsmith install it before trying to customize it. 1) either way you do it it takes Training, 2) ya silly ass might forget to flip the safety an fire so there is you 3 seconds, 3) the bullet may not fire, in which case you have to chamber anyway. Like a handgun, the defensive long gun should be secured in a safe or one of the wall-mounted quick-access locks. They make it look soooo easy in the movies! And we all make mistakes. At least the DA/SA or DAO provide a long hard trigger pull. I am lacking a rapier and main gauche though so maybe not ready for the six fingered man. #5. Even some shotguns will do that. For the most part.if the gun goes offsomeone pulled the trigger. Again, though, training is the answer. If you carry a modern pistol with an exposed trigger, you are own your own. This is the inherit design of a sticker fired pistol. Answer (1 of 30): The main reason to carry, is self defense. SOME of these guns (Ruger, Rough Rider, IWI, Freedom Arms, Linebaugh) have transfer bar safeties and thus can be carried fully loaded. The Glock series of semi-automatic pistols features Glock's Safe Action System and a loaded chamber indicator.The Safe Action System comprises three passive safeties. But my Glock has an empty chamber. the number of people out there who keep a single-action revolver as a home defense or self-defense gun is likely negligible., Not to mention that those idiots have no right to expect anyone to take them seriously. When the term "loaded" means a round in the chamber and you need to carry, either open carry or concealed, with an unloaded gun, training to be faster with your draw will be very important. Theoretically, the slide safety could be accidentally disengaged in your holster rendering a cocked and locked 1911 significantly more susceptible to a ND when drawn given the user didnt know the safety was disengaged. The firearm entered Austrian military and police service by 1982 after becoming the top performer in reliability and safety tests.. Glock pistols have become the company's most profitable line of products, and have been supplied to . Youd figure Colt would have gotten with the program by now and made the SAA with a transfer bar. There are a lot of older pistols manufactured without a drop safety feature. I have four. Good username though. Try it with any style sidearm. Your taste is in your ass., Your brains (what little you have) are in your ass. In a holster made for the gun you carry, making sure its unobstructed is a quick check. Guns in my bigger safe are in condition 3 (AR rifles and defensive shotguns), except for my SAA revolvers are empty as I dont consider them as a defensive weapon (my hunting rifles and shotguns are empty too), mainly because both have 8 1/2 barrels and were used for silhouette shooting when I was younger. Its funny how a pimp like VLAD TEPES is accepted and sometimes glorified for his rhetoric of cut and paste (fake news) values but a person who simply chooses a different way of carrying is villified and demonized by those who scream for personal freedom. Itll never come out to get cleaned, the retention will never fail, the gun will never fall out when you unbelt to take a crap in other words you dont make mistakes. this aint Dodge city and you aint Bill Hickok Blam, Blam,Blam! One in the chamber is NOT ALWAYS the best option. Of course an ND is user error, but why is the gun designed to make that error likely? Vlad as always you are full of stupid.most semi auto today are Glock wannabes I have carried a Glock 21 for years I fast draw hip shoot and yes stupid Vlad I always carry with one in the chamber, Vlad as always you are full of stupid.most semi auto today are Glock wannabes I have carried a Glock 21 for years I fast draw hip shoot and yes stupid Vlad I always carry with one in the chamber, Your rants always remind me of that long ago cartoon show. All that said, training, knowledge of your firearms design/function, and practice go a long way to make any firearm safe to carry with a round chambered though some designs are better for a particular purpose. For that matter, I dont take seriously anyone who carries a revolver for self-defense. I worry that my flesh pushing against the soft holster will somehow depress that little trigger safety and nudge the trigger back. on second thought I dont wanna know. A great capability, because a dud round will usually fire upon a second strike, and your finger is going to automatically do that anyway. I for one dont want to take the chance of fumbling around with a gun trying to rack the gun under pressure. Glocks are completely safe handguns even though they dont have external safety. The driving analogy is a good one, because we drive so much (most of us, anyway). If the pin has enough mass, it will fire the round, chambered or not, hammer blocked or not, trigger pulled or not, out-of-battery safeties, etc. Ive committed all those errors and I grew from them. Momentum and all. Probably applies to a few other westerns as well though. Since the pin must have considerable energy to fire the primer charge, and then must expend that energy quickly through a sudden stop, it really doesnt matter, because the available object to provide the sudden deceleration needed to drive the pin into the round is almost certainly going to be the ground, and the round must be in line with the inertia, which, if provided by gravity instead of the firearm itself, must be downwards. If all you do at the range is stand there at the bench, pick up your gun, lock the slide, insert the magazine, and press the slide stop to send the slide forward, then get on target to shoot, you're not training yourself right. An insignificant cretin crying for attention in a world that has left him far, far behind. I think I can answer that one. So yes, its completely safe. Let's talk about wh. Training is nothing more than repetition. Not the first time I have seen you feed the gun grabbers agenda either. I notice that you had to go look it up though. Literally has nothing to do with firearm safety. Because they have no external safety, Glocks are quicker to draw and fire. or not. As for the replicas, these are hit-and-miss when it comes to carrying on an empty chamber. Your local police do exactly that. But, on the bright side, ammoland just revamped their comment section so comments now dont take days/never to show up. OthersI just didnt think about and for some pretty good reasons. What is your birthday including time and birth location? So instead of just grabbing said gun from the night stand and chambering a round, I should keep it loaded and put it in a lock box so that I can fumble around with a tiny key and try and put it in a tiny hole in the dark? Glock dominates the handgun market in both the United States and around the globe. I dont expect hardware (or software) to compensate for a persons stupidity, as opposed to the opinion of many other people who think it should. Best thing you can do is buy a pistol that you can safely carry loaded with one in the chamber. These are: 1. My AR is half loaded with the mag in but unchambered. Agree with the author 100%. A forum community dedicated to Glock firearm owners and enthusiasts. OK, this isnt enough for you? Some folks in the comments section raised objections, as they are often wont to do. Of course, when I was a soldier, I listened to guys who had been there. Now getting older, I have trouble with body positions for competitions, so I dont enter very many club competitions anymore. The general answer is most certainly yes however there are a few considerations. If my gun lands at my childs feet, an empty chamber leaves plenty of time to prevent a tragedy, but a chambered striker-fired gun may not. MOLON LABE. ended up in the guys nostril, and he still didnt get quiet, until he heard the cocking of the hammer. Whats the controversy? In my experience, here in MS, a great many people have a great many home defense firearms of various descriptions. YouTube it. Over at gunssavelives.net, Dan Cannon has unearthed the SAFE-DRAW system for GLOCK brand GLOCK pistols.SAFE-DRAW gives the Austrian-born pistol an initial 17 pound trigger pull. But, it has a decocker, so I can put a round in the chamber, decock the striker, and walk around with a much better feeling about it all. Therefore, its unsafe(ish) to carry or store with one in the chamber. Like: condition 2 (good choice for a DA/SA autoloader), condition 1 (if your chosen piece has a manual safety), and etc. Almost as good as a ball peen hammer. Thought about getting the Sig with the external safety, but decided not too. Is really shouldnt be that hard. Well you can either use it as a gun or as a brickI like mine to be carried like a gun. about carrying or keeping a gun with a round in the chamber. The 43 chambered for the 9x19 cartridge, along with its immediate predecessor the .380 caliber Model 42, were not the . Do other people carry Glocks in IWB holsters with chambered rounds? Glocks can be dangerous When they tumble and fall and the natural instinct is to catch. Daughter carries the 9. Colt change the SAA!? Unchambered carry is a bad idea because: Glocks dont have an external safety because they were designed as a simple to operate as possible. like i said The Glock is a semi-automatic pistol that was originally designed by an Austrian manufacturer called Glock Ges.m.b.H in 1982. Me personally I carry a snap cap in the chamber, so if some lucky bastard grabs my gun and shoots hes about to be dead. when I was in the Harris County, Texas courts, I saw many LEOs that had semi-auto pistols with one in the chamber and the hammer cocked and the holster strap between the hammer and the slide. That makes a takeaway more likely to succeed if attempted. They said that it was the fault of Glocks having a super light trigger. if(typeof ez_ad_units!='undefined'){ez_ad_units.push([[468,60],'guntradition_com-large-leaderboard-2','ezslot_2',112,'0','0'])};__ez_fad_position('div-gpt-ad-guntradition_com-large-leaderboard-2-0');I, as well as others, have tested and tried to get the Safe Action System, to fail but without actually modifying parts, we havent been able to. You've only seen one page. So, us non-glockentines keep a low pro on discussing polymers and plastics, but if I had to go to war tomorrow, you can it would be an all steel weapon. There was also some discussion of Fairbairn and Sykes experience in the Shanghai police with what is commonly referred to as Israeli carry. There are some inherent problems there. Those stances, their great for cops and competition but IMO bot so great in a gunfight up close. Stop buying Glocks. Do not ever suggest they change a true classic. I still get the occasional email notification. It was called Fractured Fairy Tales. Sometimes I ask a question. In meantime, happy to train Israeli carry and take the tragedy buffer. I dont believe anyone has the right to keep me from holding, using and appreciating these art forms. I wouldnt worry about it. Some might even have second strike capability, which is the real holy grail. Apply the 21 foot rule. I have handguns that have a magazine safety I leave the mag out a 1/2 inch in the lock box and the mag cant be rammed home while in the box(like if it were dropped). THERE IS ONLY ONE WAY AND ONLY ONE WAY TO CARRY A GLOCK SAFELY AND THAT IS WITH AN EMPTY CHAMBER PERIOD AND THERE CAN BE ZERO ARGUMENT ABOUT THAT IF YOU ARE STILL IN CONTROL OF YOUR MENTAL FACULTIES AND NOT LIVING IN A NARCISSISTIC FANTASY WORLD OF GLOCK UTOPIA. People who dont carry with a round in the chamber have no training. There is no way to put a round in the chamber without leaving the striker cocked, and there is no safety. Odds of the shooter getting 4 shots off would be pretty low. In fact, when applying for a gun permit in Israel, self-defense is not an acceptable reason to get a gun. i carry mostly to counter the mass shooting incident the type of which where afterward everybody says if there had only been a good guy with a gun and i will more likely than not have time to draw the weapon and charge it while i get my ooda loop going. if(typeof ez_ad_units!='undefined'){ez_ad_units.push([[250,250],'guntradition_com-box-4','ezslot_7',110,'0','0'])};__ez_fad_position('div-gpt-ad-guntradition_com-box-4-0');Some people are nervous about Glocks because they heard one rumor or another about them. Even though they dont have safety, Glocks are not prone to negligent discharge and are completely safe to carry when done properly. As for me on striker fired Im sure they are just as safe as any other design I just like to see whats going on, . It degrades my ability to respond and limits my choices, but is still far better than some choice words. I have had cops point shotgunms and Rvolvurs at me, made me nervous, now their pointing Glocks at me, and that frightens me to the point of shaking. oh yeahuhcarry what you like guys. they took it so far, they had Glock make a special model Glock for them with a slightly stouter trigger spring. In fact, it uses S&W Shield Plus magazines. It should stay the way it is. I use either a DiSantis OWB when its jacket/coat weather or an Alien Gear 3.5 IWB when it Polo or T shirt weather. The list of pistols that have a drop safety to prevent the gun from going off unintentionally when impacted is quite long you need to look no further than any of the handguns allowed in the . It may be injured or busy striking or holding back children, etc. To the point I know I can unholster, rack, and have my tritium dots centered on some perps forehead before they know whats coming. A revolver with an empty chamber under the hammer IS ready to fire. And the latter is where a Glock is dangerous as is *any* other firearm. June 2016. Practice holstering and unholstering without a round and see if the trigger is pulled. Say, if you can make that mistake (and you did), are you willing to admit that maybe, just possibly, youve mad other mistakes? The hammer connects with a firing pin thats integrated into the frame, which strikes the primer.
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